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		<title>By: Annya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the UK teachers (we dont have school security guards) can physically restrain students who are causing, or trying to cause, themselves or another person serious physical harm.

I think this is a good rule, but should be used only where absolutely necessary and the safest thing to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the UK teachers (we dont have school security guards) can physically restrain students who are causing, or trying to cause, themselves or another person serious physical harm.</p>
<p>I think this is a good rule, but should be used only where absolutely necessary and the safest thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: estetik</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Millie Champy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Roxanna Petesic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly, your article goes to the gist of the matter. Your pellucidity leaves me wanting to know more. Allow me to immediately grab your feed to keep up to date with your online blog. Saying thanks is simply my little way of saying bravo for a grand resource. Let In my dearest wishes for your incoming publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Banos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Banos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Behavior is consequent to cause. Action precedes reaction. Simple science. Much more effective to diffuse the bomb- rather than dealing with the mess it leaves afterwards. You may prefer to deal with the pieces, I rather address it as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Behavior is consequent to cause. Action precedes reaction. Simple science. Much more effective to diffuse the bomb- rather than dealing with the mess it leaves afterwards. You may prefer to deal with the pieces, I rather address it as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
		<link>http://teacherrevised.org/2009/06/03/school-discipline-is-it-ever-ok-to-physically-restrain-a-student/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Conley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Running away from the problem may temporarily solve your problem, it won’t solve THE problem.&quot;

Nope, running away from the problem permanently solves YOUR problem.  That is, if your problem is finding a decent school for your child.  Find a decent school for your child, and YOUR problem is solved.  Leave your kid in a bad school, and you don&#039;t fix ANY problems.   

&quot;Do you really think that in twelve years there weren’t more white students who misbehaved to the point that they would have ordinarily ended up in our all ED school? Please. &quot;

I have no idea what percentage of badly behaved kids are white, blue, orange or green.  I don&#039;t care.  It doesn&#039;t matter.  If a kid won&#039;t behave, don&#039;t point at his skin, it&#039;s not the problem.  Focus on his behavior.    It&#039;s the behavior that is the problem.

&quot;Please.&quot;

Please?  

Please stop making simple behavior problems insoluble by focusing on race.  

Does it benefit an ED white child not to be placed in an ED class?

How?  

Who&#039;s being discriminated against here?  

Let&#039;s get our arguments straight, if we can.  You&#039;re complaining because white kids can&#039;t get appropriate placement in an ED class?  

Look what happens when people focus on race, instead of behavior.  

All of a sudden, nothing makes sense.   If you take one nonsensical premise, and try to build reasonable arguments with it, you end up with obviously ridiculous statements.  Claim that racial discrimination is the problem, and all sorts of fallacies follow.

Focus on the real problem.  Ignore the melodrama of race politics.  The problem isn&#039;t race.  The problem is misbehavior.  

Solve the behavior problem.   The percieved racial problem will vanish like the chimera it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Running away from the problem may temporarily solve your problem, it won’t solve THE problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, running away from the problem permanently solves YOUR problem.  That is, if your problem is finding a decent school for your child.  Find a decent school for your child, and YOUR problem is solved.  Leave your kid in a bad school, and you don&#8217;t fix ANY problems.   </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you really think that in twelve years there weren’t more white students who misbehaved to the point that they would have ordinarily ended up in our all ED school? Please. &#8221;</p>
<p>I have no idea what percentage of badly behaved kids are white, blue, orange or green.  I don&#8217;t care.  It doesn&#8217;t matter.  If a kid won&#8217;t behave, don&#8217;t point at his skin, it&#8217;s not the problem.  Focus on his behavior.    It&#8217;s the behavior that is the problem.</p>
<p>&#8220;Please.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please?  </p>
<p>Please stop making simple behavior problems insoluble by focusing on race.  </p>
<p>Does it benefit an ED white child not to be placed in an ED class?</p>
<p>How?  </p>
<p>Who&#8217;s being discriminated against here?  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get our arguments straight, if we can.  You&#8217;re complaining because white kids can&#8217;t get appropriate placement in an ED class?  </p>
<p>Look what happens when people focus on race, instead of behavior.  </p>
<p>All of a sudden, nothing makes sense.   If you take one nonsensical premise, and try to build reasonable arguments with it, you end up with obviously ridiculous statements.  Claim that racial discrimination is the problem, and all sorts of fallacies follow.</p>
<p>Focus on the real problem.  Ignore the melodrama of race politics.  The problem isn&#8217;t race.  The problem is misbehavior.  </p>
<p>Solve the behavior problem.   The percieved racial problem will vanish like the chimera it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle in GA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle in GA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, I didn&#039;t finish my statement.  

&quot;It would not surprise me a bit, if this kid, who’s been “rescued” from multiple gang violence attacks, has already been given “multiple second chances” for things the writer deemed as more severe than what other students had done who had been suspended or “DHP’d”, will later be involved in some sort of serious crime or bringing a gun to school.&quot;

I also hit the submit button a little too soon.

I wanted to point out that this kid has now learned that he can get away with stuff.

Sure, he might get &quot;suspended&quot;...but the OTHER guy that he was verbally abusing got suspended too!  

He learned that he can do stuff over and over, with very little consequences.

He has now felt the power of his own kind of vindication.  

In short, this grandfather/principal has now helped create a convict.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I didn&#8217;t finish my statement.  </p>
<p>&#8220;It would not surprise me a bit, if this kid, who’s been “rescued” from multiple gang violence attacks, has already been given “multiple second chances” for things the writer deemed as more severe than what other students had done who had been suspended or “DHP’d”, will later be involved in some sort of serious crime or bringing a gun to school.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also hit the submit button a little too soon.</p>
<p>I wanted to point out that this kid has now learned that he can get away with stuff.</p>
<p>Sure, he might get &#8220;suspended&#8221;&#8230;but the OTHER guy that he was verbally abusing got suspended too!  </p>
<p>He learned that he can do stuff over and over, with very little consequences.</p>
<p>He has now felt the power of his own kind of vindication.  </p>
<p>In short, this grandfather/principal has now helped create a convict.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle in GA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle in GA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to a public school with gangs...and there was a reason that gangs looked for fights with certain people...and it&#039;s not because they were peaceful.  

It&#039;s not leap to assume this kid was already up to no good.  His dubious character, coupled with his extreme verbal abuse and anger would definitely make me feel insecure!  

I have had co-workers get angry.  I&#039;ve heard them express their anger with profanity.  I&#039;ve never had a co-worker act like this kid.

It would not surprise me a bit, if this kid, who&#039;s been &quot;rescued&quot; from multiple gang violence attacks, has already been given &quot;multiple second chances&quot; for things the writer deemed as more severe than what other students had done who had been suspended or &quot;DHP&#039;d&quot;.  

Look at this kids overall character.  Does this sound like a non-violent, wants-to-learn, no-threat-to-anyone, kind of student to you?

If I were that kids parent, I would have thanked that security guard.  This kid could have potentially learned a very valuable lesson from this whole incident, without being harmed.  He could have learned that he should pick his battles.  He could have learned that he needs to control his temper, because others will not put up with his behavior.  

If I were one of the other parents, I&#039;d feel like that school just got a little bit less safe, because this security guard is gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a public school with gangs&#8230;and there was a reason that gangs looked for fights with certain people&#8230;and it&#8217;s not because they were peaceful.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not leap to assume this kid was already up to no good.  His dubious character, coupled with his extreme verbal abuse and anger would definitely make me feel insecure!  </p>
<p>I have had co-workers get angry.  I&#8217;ve heard them express their anger with profanity.  I&#8217;ve never had a co-worker act like this kid.</p>
<p>It would not surprise me a bit, if this kid, who&#8217;s been &#8220;rescued&#8221; from multiple gang violence attacks, has already been given &#8220;multiple second chances&#8221; for things the writer deemed as more severe than what other students had done who had been suspended or &#8220;DHP&#8217;d&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Look at this kids overall character.  Does this sound like a non-violent, wants-to-learn, no-threat-to-anyone, kind of student to you?</p>
<p>If I were that kids parent, I would have thanked that security guard.  This kid could have potentially learned a very valuable lesson from this whole incident, without being harmed.  He could have learned that he should pick his battles.  He could have learned that he needs to control his temper, because others will not put up with his behavior.  </p>
<p>If I were one of the other parents, I&#8217;d feel like that school just got a little bit less safe, because this security guard is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Banos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stan Banos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I had a son or daughter in a failing school, I too would engage in whatever option necessary. But surely, you must realize that every time this occurs, we weaken the public school system even further. Running away from the problem may temporarily solve your problem, it won&#039;t solve THE problem.

I had one (1) white student in twelve years of teaching ED students in NYC, fortunately he could take care of himself- obviously, he came from a background that didn&#039;t have the aforementioned options. Do you really think that in twelve years there weren&#039;t more white students who misbehaved to the point that they would have ordinarily ended up in our all ED school? Please. 

I&#039;m not excusing the (mis)behavior of any student- of any race! But if you really want to get to defining and solving the problem as you so state, then you must come to the realization that racism is very much part of the mix, not THE sole factor, but one of the major players. To deny that is to continue down the path of failure we find ourselves in...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a son or daughter in a failing school, I too would engage in whatever option necessary. But surely, you must realize that every time this occurs, we weaken the public school system even further. Running away from the problem may temporarily solve your problem, it won&#8217;t solve THE problem.</p>
<p>I had one (1) white student in twelve years of teaching ED students in NYC, fortunately he could take care of himself- obviously, he came from a background that didn&#8217;t have the aforementioned options. Do you really think that in twelve years there weren&#8217;t more white students who misbehaved to the point that they would have ordinarily ended up in our all ED school? Please. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not excusing the (mis)behavior of any student- of any race! But if you really want to get to defining and solving the problem as you so state, then you must come to the realization that racism is very much part of the mix, not THE sole factor, but one of the major players. To deny that is to continue down the path of failure we find ourselves in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Conley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Conley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to address the real problems with failing schools, which have nothing to do with skin color.  The polemic squawking about the unfairness of racial politics is a red herring that detracts from effective problem solving strategies.  

Effective parents ignore all that silly dysfunctional drama.  They remove their children from failing schools.  They do whatever it takes.  Some effective parents are White, some are Black, some are Asian and some are Hispanic.  They don&#039;t care if the successful school they place their child in will make their child part of the ethnic majority at that particular school or not.  As long as their child isn&#039;t going to be assaulted, hazed or stolen from over racial issues, all the effective parent cares about is the quality of the education.  

Protestant, Jewish and Atheists place their children in Catholic schools.  They do this for the quality of the education.  Black parents flee to white suburbs for the quality of the schools.  They want their kids to get an education, and not be beaten up for &quot;acting White&quot;.   

It&#039;s not &quot;acting White&quot; to want an education.  It&#039;s not &quot;acting White&quot; to behave yourself in school.  Effective parents know what their kids need, and being alternately abused and ignored for being well behaved is not what their kids need.  

Well behaved students with a good teacher are easy to educate under stark conditions, with little or no material assets.  Badly behaved students are hard to educate, no matter how much money you throw at the problem.   The racial composition of the people involved is irrelevant.

As long as we call failing American schools a racial problem, instead of a bad behavior problem, we fail to define the problem accurately.

Until we define the problem accurately, we can&#039;t fix it.

Want to solve the problem?

Good.

Start by defining the problem accurately.

Then come up with strategies that directly address the problem you&#039;ve defined.

Keep what works; discard what doesn&#039;t.

Try, try, and try again.  Don&#039;t give up.

As long as you know what your problem is,  you really want to solve the problem, and you know how to solve problems, you&#039;ll do just fine.  

Ask any effective parent.  They&#039;ll tell you the same thing.  Ignore the drama; solve the problem.   If you get distracted by the drama, the problem will own you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to address the real problems with failing schools, which have nothing to do with skin color.  The polemic squawking about the unfairness of racial politics is a red herring that detracts from effective problem solving strategies.  </p>
<p>Effective parents ignore all that silly dysfunctional drama.  They remove their children from failing schools.  They do whatever it takes.  Some effective parents are White, some are Black, some are Asian and some are Hispanic.  They don&#8217;t care if the successful school they place their child in will make their child part of the ethnic majority at that particular school or not.  As long as their child isn&#8217;t going to be assaulted, hazed or stolen from over racial issues, all the effective parent cares about is the quality of the education.  </p>
<p>Protestant, Jewish and Atheists place their children in Catholic schools.  They do this for the quality of the education.  Black parents flee to white suburbs for the quality of the schools.  They want their kids to get an education, and not be beaten up for &#8220;acting White&#8221;.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;acting White&#8221; to want an education.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;acting White&#8221; to behave yourself in school.  Effective parents know what their kids need, and being alternately abused and ignored for being well behaved is not what their kids need.  </p>
<p>Well behaved students with a good teacher are easy to educate under stark conditions, with little or no material assets.  Badly behaved students are hard to educate, no matter how much money you throw at the problem.   The racial composition of the people involved is irrelevant.</p>
<p>As long as we call failing American schools a racial problem, instead of a bad behavior problem, we fail to define the problem accurately.</p>
<p>Until we define the problem accurately, we can&#8217;t fix it.</p>
<p>Want to solve the problem?</p>
<p>Good.</p>
<p>Start by defining the problem accurately.</p>
<p>Then come up with strategies that directly address the problem you&#8217;ve defined.</p>
<p>Keep what works; discard what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Try, try, and try again.  Don&#8217;t give up.</p>
<p>As long as you know what your problem is,  you really want to solve the problem, and you know how to solve problems, you&#8217;ll do just fine.  </p>
<p>Ask any effective parent.  They&#8217;ll tell you the same thing.  Ignore the drama; solve the problem.   If you get distracted by the drama, the problem will own you.</p>
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